Please respect the owners

[lost a bit]

Today I phoned the owner of a property I frequent fairly often to see if it was ok to go for a swing, to my surprise the answer was very blunt,
No I have had to shut everyone out. when I asked why he replied that there was a new detector on the market that goes deeper than the rest and cost about 10k, I agreed and said it was the new GPZ 7000, well he said I have had some people out hear looking with one and they come and go and I really don't know who is on the place at any one time, more and more people are showing up without permission and the people with that new machine are leaving bloody big holes everywhere and not filling them in and just making a huge mess.
He was very annoyed at what had been going on as he has always let people on to have a look around the old workings.
all I can say to the person or persons involved respect what you have access to because your lack of it has just destroyed access to one of the best sights in this region.
lab

 

[user 4485]

Seems to be happening a lot around here at the moment. Hopefully the bad eggs get weeded out & you can get your access back LAB. Thats bad form on their part on a few levels.

 

[lost a bit]

Yeh not happy mbasko just lost a bloody nice spot to go, I just hope the person responsible reads this and gets the message

 

[MJB]

That's no good Lost a bit,

I have a similar problem with twits leaving huge holes all over the creek I go to, they dig into the bank, undercut it and the place looks ransacked. I spent a bit of time yesterday filling in holes

Hope you get your spot back soon mate

 

[Brumble-Gum]

Hey LAB

It only takes one to ruin it for all of us.
I hope the property owner gave you the name of this idiot.
Just because you can dig a big hole doesn't mean you can't fill in a big hole.
GPZ owners take note!

 

[Rusty]

It makes me angry that we are at the mercy of selfish individuals who don't give a fig about anyone except themselves. A simple thing like filling in the holes will ensure access to other detectorists. No different to idiots who trash 4WD tracks for fun, causing more and more gates to locked. Unfortunately there's always the few pee-brained morons who spoil it for the many.

 

[yakuza61]

Lost a bit,
No Good M8..
These idiots spoil it for everyone 'coz it generally only takes 1 to stuff it up for all of us ! ... I mean isn't that the 1st rule in the Gold Detecting " Rules of Conduct "
" Fill in your Holes " before u move on .... someone should string em up by their goolies !

yakuza61

 

[Chewy]

It's also interesting to note it's often ppl who should know better that do it. Not a hard thing to kick a bit of dirt back into the hole. I get that it's possible to wander accidently on to private property, but it's usually fenced off. A-holes just not giving a rats about anybody else deserve to get charged with trespass.

 

[Sandta]

!!!! A.R.S.E.H.O.L.E.S !!!!

 

[toecutta]

I am sorry to hear this has happened.. it makes my blood boil for you

i just finished reading a political commentary on Australia and Australians and sadly this is an example of proving the point made... "We have become a nation of individuals with a sense of entitlement..."

The people that deface the landscape have no respect for the land, the owner, the environment or for the visual pollution they cause. they think spending the cash (and $10k is NOWHERE near what the property costs but they think they are big-shots) entitles them to do whatever they want wherever they want.

how do you stop this behavior? even if you catch them doing it.. they KNOW its wrong... so as soon as you talk to them, their response isn't going to be embarrassment, its going to be self indignation and aggression

 

[lost a bit]

yes chewy you are dead right the person who has done this has been detecting for years and really should have more respect, I have also just found out that this is not the only place closed off for the same offense in recent times, go bloody figure.

 

[dwt]

Now we can see how private property can be more suited to club days or just left to the one or two regulars, clubs days can be governed and policed by the members in that club/group, I'm sure if an indervigual was stuffing it up for the rest of the group it wouldn't take long for them to be 'sorted out'.
It makes it a real 'bitch' for traveling prospectors (who do the right thing) this is something I'd like to do one day, travel our great country and prospect it at the same time, clowns who leave as mess arnt just out and about on private property, state forests and parks cop they're fair hit as well, it's guys like MJB and others backfilling or rubbish clean ups that are keeping our heads above the waterline in regards to how our hobby is seen through the eyes of environmentalists and greens, now we can start adding some private property owners to that one as well.
This is why I'm all for 'pay to prospect', laziness, greed and arrogance usually role together, 'pay to prospect' can weed those types out, and if it dosnt the money coughed up to prospect private property can go a long way to cover costs for the farmer/property owner to clean up if some ******** have left a mess, sux for the regulars who do the right thing, but show me one instance where in society the minority hasn't stuffed it up for the majority

Ps, and I highly doubt it's just the new Z owners that are responsible, plenty other detectors hit some impressive depths :|

 

[stoyve]

Now we can see how private property can be more suited to club days or just left to the one or two regulars, clubs days can be governed and policed by the members in that club/group, I'm sure if an individual was stuffing it up for the rest of the group it wouldn't take long for them to be 'sorted out'.
It makes it a real 'bitch' for traveling prospectors (who do the right thing) this is something I'd like to do one day, travel our great country and prospect it at the same time, clowns who leave as mess aren't just out and about on private property, state forests and parks cop they're fair hit as well, it's guys like MJB and others back filling or rubbish clean ups that are keeping our heads above the waterline in regards to how our hobby is seen through the eyes of environmentalists and greens, now we can start adding some private property owners to that one as well.
This is why I'm all for 'pay to prospect', laziness, greed and arrogance usually role together, 'pay to prospect' can weed those types out, and if it dosnt the money coughed up to prospect private property can go a long way to cover costs for the farmer/property owner to clean up if some ******** have left a mess, sux for the regulars who do the right thing, but show me one instance where in society the minority hasn't stuffed it up for the majority

Ps, and I highly doubt it's just the new Z owners that are responsible, plenty other detectors hit some impressive depths :|

Too right dwt,
This has always happened, but now seems to be more common than ever.
In one of the state forests I frequent, it's getting pretty bad in some places.
I opened up a track that had a large tree across it for a few years a while back so myself and others could access it, and within 3 days one spot looked like the western front.
Next time I will drag the tree back.
If a newbie does it , they usually will fill them back up when it's pointed out, but as was said earlier, it's often the experienced prospectors who feel they might have earned the right.
Let's all of us consider each other, the landowners, the environment and the general public so we can all enjoy our pastime.

 

[KarlS]

This problem is going to get worse as more people take up metal detecting. The education to do right thing will help a bit, but it is not going to stop it. Consider how many millions of dollars has been spent on Do the Right Thing advertising and the parks and streets are still full of rubish.
Eventually in few years time most of people will give up prospecting (same as with any hobbies) and thing will quite down.
I just can not understand what is the problem to kick the dirt back into the hole you dug out to find that elusive .22 bullet. Although when panning for gold I usually take two or three buckets of dirt home. So regardless how well I refill hole, it will have a bit of depression, because the material I took with me.
Karl

 

[Next1m8]

My regular spot has been totally destroyed, have a fair idea who's done it too, seen them once or twice poking there bloody head around to see what I was up too, I admit in one spot I dug a whopper of a hole. Quite proud of my efforts and re-filled with my tailings only to find it had been re-dug f-wits I know the owner of the property and he's had a gut full of disrespect he knows it's not me as I take great care in re filling all holes (and other peoples) I never undercut the banks, what's the point next flood will do that for me and then concentrate the gold for me

 

[Guest]

Hey LAB

It only takes one to ruin it for all of us.
I hope the property owner gave you the name of this idiot.
Just because you can dig a big hole doesn't mean you can't fill in a big hole.
GPZ owners take note!

Next we will be blamed for digging to India.

Without clear evidence and just speculation you can't blame Zed users for leaving holes not filled. It's unfortunate that the claim that is made in this original post, may be true. But fact is its the person not the detector that leaves holes not filled. It could be any detector.n

How do you know it's not just an inexperienced prospector digging unnecesarily large holes trying to find the target.

I personally fill my holes in and I'm a GPZ user. But thanks for the advice, I will take it on board. Perhaps those that don't have a GPZ are just jealous of those that have them.

 

[Heatho]

Can thank the Gold prospecting tv series for this more than anything I think, the American ones just show destruction of habitat and although entertaining never show the rehabilitating the land. It's all about Gold and getting rich to some.

It's not my motivataion, I'd be happy with 0.1 gram nug per trip....... Got none at the start of this week for 3 days detecting in the rain and still didn't care too much, I was grumpy but reassesed why I go there in the first place, after doing that I think I had a nice few days out of the city.

If you want to get rich I can can think of much easier ways, owning city property for 1, some areas are achieving 30% growth per yeah at the moment.

Can't really blame the detector, it's the type of person swinging it.

 

[Heatho]

how do you stop this behavior?

Confiscate their equipment and show the same repect to it if you are the property owner.

 

[toecutta]

how do you stop this behavior?

Confiscate their equipment and show the same respect to it if you are the property owner.

i agree 100% with the sentiment... but that's called theft ... and bopping them on the nose (my personal preference) is likely to impact the freedoms i currently have as i would then be making friends with my new cellmate neighbor "bubba" :lol: >

 

[Heatho]

Yeah maybe a little harsh. Could just follow them home and come back with an excavator and dig a few holes at their place instead, lol.

I've told this story before but I remember a mate and myself getting flogged with our own fishing rods while litterally running from a property owner as a teenager, got caught up in his barbed wire fence and copped a decent hiding, with my own rod. The bloke was psychotic and screaming at us in Spanish, that was almost scarrier than the hiding I copped.

Lucky my dad was 3 times the blokes size, we went around and got the rods back without incident.

Just hooked one of his 60cm Japanese Koi, soooo I can understand the owners point of view. Learnt my lesson though and still won't venture onto private property without an invite.