thanks wal, sound like a sience in building a good high banker. I like that. I have only 2 wheel drive and go where i can between tumut and wee jasper, (small gem), currently i have been using seive pan bucket with classifier over top, not shy to dig down. This region in winter is where i want to high bank due to the result i had with pan, I building highbanker only to wash alot more dirt, and the fact that when I dug down 1.4 metres, roughly, i come across very thick grey clay, very hard to break up by hand. I hunt for gems