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Just wondering if there is anyone on the forum who owns a Deus that lives in Townsville, as I would really love to have a look at one and maybe if you are feeling generous let me have a little play against my CTX.
 
If you need to compare there are plenty
of youtube Videos.

It you are lucky enough to test one the
Weight and iron volume should impress
You though.

Good luck with it.
 
Wolfau said:
If you need to compare there are plenty
of youtube Videos.

It you are lucky enough to test one the
Weight and iron volume should impress
You though.

Good luck with it.

Cheers
Yeah watched all the videos I could find, my old boy is looking at the Deus or CTX would just love to have a play with one.
 
Well have spent a bit of time now with the Deus and wow it is quick. The first thing I noticed is how quickly you can ID something when there is a lot of targets under the coil where the CTX can struggle with giving you ID without lifting the coil away and let it calm down a bit. I like the lightness of the Deus and the ease of carrying it around and the wife and kids like it too. I haven't really done a proper shootout with the 2 yet but is one of my plans for the weekend. I still feel the CTX's ID is far more accurate at depth than the Deus but maybe more time will tell. The trace screen on the CTX is far better then the XY screen on the Deus too, as the XY screen struggles to give you real time info when the ground is really junkie, but if there is a coin under the CTX coil in amongst the junk you will get a nice clear little dot in the right area of the screen. Both machines are very good at popping $1 and $2 coins and the Deus only took me maybe 1 hour of use to get use to what to listen for and ID numbers on screen and feel if I had to pick one for popping goldies the Deus would be it, as it gives you ID numbers so fast but if searching for silvers and pennies at depth I would reach for the CTX but again more use will tell as I have many hours on the CTX and really love it and only a few hours on the Deus.

Once I have done a bit of a shootout I will post some results.
 
Thanks for your input Goldwright, as you may well have figured out, the Deus will not provide accurate TID's at depth as the CTX does. After a point, the screen will simply draw a blank on a deep target, rather than guess an inaccurate ID. The Deus will still hit well on deeper targets, though by that stage the TID's are long gone, and you will be relying on the tones. Not necessarily an inherent fault of the detector or a bad thing, more due the fact that it was always intended and designed to be a tone driven detector. Really the only time I ever use the TID's on the Deus is for cherry picking shallow to mid depth coins on modern sites. Anything deeper, and I pretty much completely ignore the screen and go soley by the tones.

The new V4.0 software is reported to have improved TID accuracy on deeper targets, though we will have to wait till later this year to

Unlike my previous detectors, I don't tend to get bogged down mulling over whether to dig a target or not. If the tone sounds good on the Deus, it comes out of the ground and I quickly move on to the next target. In that respect, you can cover a large area in only a short period of time, and dig more good targets that would have previously been left in the ground due to a iffy ID's. Once you get your ear in on what is a good deep coin or desirable non-ferrous tone, the more efficient the whole detect/recovery process becomes.

As for some of the settings, have a good play around with the reactivity and silencer. I find that other than the frequency, these two settings have the greatest influence over the depth capability of the Deus, especially the reactivity. Using copious amounts of discrimination does affect it to a degree, though not as dramatically as the reactivity.

Higher reactivity is best left for junky or iron filled sites, with lower reactivity for deeper targets on cleaner sites or open ground. Reactivity 2 is a good compromise between recovery speed and depth ability, usually with the silencer turned off - period (-1). The lowest reactivity setting will also require a slower sweep speed, probably more on par with what you would normally use for the CTX. After initially locating a target, further slower sweeps can help clear up the tone on say a deeper coin. Don't be tempted to swing the Deus like a cat on fire, even if it has ultra fast recovery speeds - you will overlook targets.

The silencer is just a filter or another form of discrimination to reduce chatter from iron in the soil. I have rarely seen a need to utilise it, hence it is always turned off. Have it set too high, and it could possibly filter out weaker signals from deep targets.

A majority of the time I detect on 18kHz, with the odd area utilising 12kHz for deeper predecimals. 18kHz has been the best for umasking in iron (ie. relic sites), using the higher reactivity settings.
Really just a matter of having a play around on the day to see what combination of settings best suits your sites, as they will no doubt differ from mine.

As these two detectors are so different in ability, technology, and the way they go about locating targets, rather than them being seen as competitors, I prefer for them to be seen as complimentary to each other. Different tools for different tasks so to speak.

Have fun GW, all the best with your purchase. :)
 
Thanks for your feedback Goldpick. Interesting I have found 4khz to be pretty good as not quite so sensitive to smaller targets around the coins and that seems to free up the processors a little when trying to see deep targets. I am yet to use 18khz and have tried 12khz for a bit but found 4khz also the best when popping shallow goldies also but as I said above only have a few hours on the Deus, but so far really like it. I like how in 5 tones when it hits a coin it kind of Quacks like a duck.
 
Goldwright, generally if I go goldie hunting (which is rare these days), I am a bit lazy and just tend to pick one of the factory programs and change a few settings and the type/number of tones around to suit. The Basic programs are also not bad for shallower coinage, as they have been dumbed down a bit for new users, or those not wanting excess feedback from the ground and other small junk targets.

The main issue I have had with both 4 & 8kHz is with regards to them being a lot more prone to EMI chatter, and also not having the sensitivity required for small low conductor targets typical of old relic sites (ie. Copper buttons). On a couple of older locations I regularly detect, the Deus does go a little haywire on those two frequencies, with 17kHz being the most manageable on EMI (both sites have underground power and transformers).

Most 1800's coins here are relatively shallow, hence I can afford to trade off on using a higher frequency to allow me to hit on both low and high conductors. If a coin target is a bit iffy, I can just drop the reactivity to clean up the tone, or alternately lower the frequency.

As mentioned, there are no concrete settings that will suit every detectorist on every type of ground with the Deus. It's really up to the individual on what settings/tones personally suit them, and the types of targets they are chasing. :)
 
Yeah there is quite a lot of combinations of settings on the Deus. EMI can get a little chatty in 4 something I am not used too with my coin machines. Even at 18khz it can be a bit warbly, the CTX does not suffer from EMI, one thing I was not aware of with the Deus. Not a big problem as I like being able to select the frequency for each application, and feel this is one real advantage over the CTX for goldie hunting which is the one thing I do the most with my coin machines.

I am really trying to test it out and not just grab the CTX every time I head to the park. Its good I just hand the Deus to the 7 year old and tell her call out when you get a 86 or 87 and mark it with something on the ground and Daddy will check it and pop it out.
 
Sounds good to me, lucky 7 year old treasurehunter with a $2000+ detector. ;) I found that the Etrac and Explorer would also go nuts if too close to high power transformers and lines, or if close to jetties with mobile towers.

The only detector I own that seems relatively immune to emi, is the Teknetics G2 aka Gold bug pro at 19kHz. :)
 
Have been running both the CTX and Deus for a while now and honestly you wont go wrong with either. If you are going to do lots of beach work the CTX just leaves the Deus behind with multi frequency and auto sensitivity but like most say the Deus handles the iron better. When chasing deep targets the CTX has the edge with ID accuracy but for these kinds of targets we all use the tones more so than ID numbers so they are both very good as sussing out a good target at depth. The whole nulling thing with the CTX is when you have descrim on and the Deus does the same as that is what the descrim is for and to get the most out of these 2 machines is run a complete open screen thus true all metal and then use your eyes and ears to pick your targets. The one big advantage of the Deus is weight as the CTX is double the weight so comes down to what you want to do with the machine. My honest opinion is I prefer the CTX over the Deus but thats me.
 
Have both a Deus & a CTX, just love em. I do lean more towards the Deus, maybe because I`ve had it longer, but have found the CTX with its CO & FE ID has an edge over the Deus there thus have found its ID is more accurate. I use them both with little discrimination prefer to go by tones & ID and decide what to dig myself.

A bonus with the Deus is the RC can be removed from the shaft and mounted on the wrist using a smart phone wrist holder, very handy as you can be watching the ID on your left wrist as you swing detector with right arm.

With regards to the Deus having faster reactivity which in very trashy ground is a positive but it basically just means you go slower with the CTX in such ground, once you slow down the CTX is no slouch in trashy ground. I have not found this to be a problem. I cover most of my coin sites with both, it doesn`t matter which I use first the other most times finds more. Recently I had a local ask me to find his wedding ring in a local trash infested park, I grabbed the CTX because of that CO & FE ID, it found it within 30 minutes.

The CTX is well supported in OZ, you can send direct to Minelab the manufacturer for the unlikely need for service, Minelab service I have found is second to no one. You will love whichever of these two you purchase,
 
the beach is flogged, too many guys doing them. Swing a Deus allday, and CTX may have better graphical information. Cant go wrong either way, the results prove it.
 
Nonetheless lads I appreciate all the thoughtful comments I could see one of either in my future (Clegy always seems to have some ripper deals) but waiting to see if I move coastal in the near future as the 75 won't be much good for the beach and sways the 3030 into front position, unless anyone can hands down tell mt the dues can get near the 3030 on wet sand.
 
OldGT said:
Nonetheless lads I appreciate all the thoughtful comments I could see one of either in my future (Clegy always seems to have some ripper deals) but waiting to see if I move coastal in the near future as the 75 won't be much good for the beach and sways the 3030 into front position, unless anyone can hands down tell mt the dues can get near the 3030 on wet sand.

Nothing is even going to come close to the CTX except a Sovereign GT or a PI or one of the other FBS machines when it comes to wet sand.
 

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