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Ok as some of you know I'm fairly new to the forums but before I really start to venture out down rivers etc i need to know exactly what the go is with crown land. I'm sure I read somewhere on a government site that rivers are crown land regardless of the property they run through and the property owner only owns from 10m from the high water mark. Unless there's a mining lease or claim etc on the property then it's diff story. Please she'd some light and thoughts on this as I don't want to get locked up lol

Cheers Justin
 
Can be very difficult to tell, a lot of the time streams are classified as crown land but with old Torrens titles the landowner can own the stream as well. Always probably best to say G'day to the land owner backing onto any creeks or streams and have a chat with them, they might even share info or come down for a cuppa, they may even tell you to get lost or be un-friendly, still best to say G'day though I think.

Have a search through the forum this topic has been discussed frequently.
 
Heatho, Torrens Title is what we go under now and the crown owns permanent water creeks. Old Title is pre 185# and is dead and buried (in NSW dept of Lands converted all remaining old title to Torrens)

If you go to this site - http://nswtitles.minerals.nsw.gov.au/nswtitles/ and then once it loads go to the floating box ensure that "NSW Titles", "Administrative Boundaries" and "Crown Land" is ticked then the map will show you plain as day what is and what isn't crown land.

Being crown land doesn't automatically give you a right to be there though and it is often leased to a local Rural Lands Protection Board or similar (they oversee Travelling Stock Routes) or a local landholder. When the land is leased the leasee can say yay or nay to intended actions - except walking and fishing. You can contact a local Dept of Lands office with the Lot and DP of a particular crown land to see if access can be granted.

Creeks and Rivers are treated differently and they are also classified. The old rules of '1 chain from the centre of the bed" and whatnot are out the window. If the map shows it as crown land it is crown land, the mapping is prepared by government(approved) surveyors. Where riverbeds move over time landowners can apply to have the boundary altered to suit - but the alteration has to be done by registered surveyors and this is updated through the mapping.

Dept of Lands officers are very helpful on this topic.
 
Ben78 said:
Heatho, Torrens Title is what we go under now and the crown owns permanent water creeks. Old Title is pre 185# and is dead and buried (in NSW dept of Lands converted all remaining old title to Torrens)

If you go to this site - http://nswtitles.minerals.nsw.gov.au/nswtitles/ and then once it loads go to the floating box ensure that "NSW Titles", "Administrative Boundaries" and "Crown Land" is ticked then the map will show you plain as day what is and what isn't crown land.

Being crown land doesn't automatically give you a right to be there though and it is often leased to a local Rural Lands Protection Board or similar (they oversee Travelling Stock Routes) or a local landholder. When the land is leased the leasee can say yay or nay to intended actions - except walking and fishing. You can contact a local Dept of Lands office with the Lot and DP of a particular crown land to see if access can be granted.

Creeks and Rivers are treated differently and they are also classified. The old rules of '1 chain from the centre of the bed" and whatnot are out the window. If the map shows it as crown land it is crown land, the mapping is prepared by government(approved) surveyors. Where riverbeds move over time landowners can apply to have the boundary altered to suit - but the alteration has to be done by registered surveyors and this is updated through the mapping.

Dept of Lands officers are very helpful on this topic.

Good post....
Some creeks are classified as rivers also.
Not all Crown land is leased these days either...they tend to Licence a lot now.
Some licences do not give exclusive use of land, so some ( with research) you maybe still be able to access.
BUT, you need to contact Crown Lands for permission or controlling body of the particular parcel of land.
 
Thanks so much guys when i finish work and gt home ill check this website out in your link Heatho. Thanks so far guys great help :)
 
Haha I think my nets a bit slow I got bens post after I posted but its before mine :p or maybe I didn't refresh I can't remember but thanks Ben and others for the insight and advice :) seems its not as easy as finding a river you think is crown cause it may not be.
 

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