Hi all i just got my SD2200D and im looking at getting one of these coils 10 x 5 dd coil or do i go mono for small gold , I'm just not sure which one any help and advise would be great
10" x 5" double d is this a good coil for small gold on my SD2200D OR
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Why are people besotted with 'small' gold.
Why are guys chasing the 10, 50, 100 ounce nuggets?!
All the other stuff is barely paying for food for the trip!
Why are guys chasing the 10, 50, 100 ounce nuggets?!
All the other stuff is barely paying for food for the trip!
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SB - People aren't "besotted" with it, there is just a lot more smaller gold around then there is larger gold. The small stuff is the "bread & butter" gold. People chase both & there isn't much use using a large coil for smaller stuff or in tight spots where they may even be some bigger stuff lurking. Although a lot of large coils are quite sensitive they aren't practical in all situations.
Also the majority of people on here are hobbyists & would all like to find the big one but are usually happy with anything. They don't need to turn a profit to cover food etc. It's not a business for most of us & it would be far more profitable for most to do some overtime at work & forget chasing nuggets for profit. The oldtimers even worked that out leaving goldfields for more lucrative pursuits like rabbiting & farming
Maybe if you show some of the 10, 50 or 100 ounce bits your getting with the SL you will inspire the masses?
Frankly a lot of your posts questioning people's motives or the prices they set on gear they're selling are getting boring. Get over it - we spend what we spend & do what we do in pursuit of our own enjoyment for whatever reasons to suit each individual.
For the SD2200D I would try a mono in your area before buying. They aren't ideal on the SD & although they will be ok in some areas DD's would be better suited especially to start off with.
I used a NF 14"X7" mono on my SD2200D but couldn't use it everywhere so also used Minelab 11" DD round, Coiltek 14" DD pro elite & Coiltek 10"x5" Joey DD depending on area/situation. All good coils for given situations that they suit.
Also the majority of people on here are hobbyists & would all like to find the big one but are usually happy with anything. They don't need to turn a profit to cover food etc. It's not a business for most of us & it would be far more profitable for most to do some overtime at work & forget chasing nuggets for profit. The oldtimers even worked that out leaving goldfields for more lucrative pursuits like rabbiting & farming
Maybe if you show some of the 10, 50 or 100 ounce bits your getting with the SL you will inspire the masses?
Frankly a lot of your posts questioning people's motives or the prices they set on gear they're selling are getting boring. Get over it - we spend what we spend & do what we do in pursuit of our own enjoyment for whatever reasons to suit each individual.
For the SD2200D I would try a mono in your area before buying. They aren't ideal on the SD & although they will be ok in some areas DD's would be better suited especially to start off with.
I used a NF 14"X7" mono on my SD2200D but couldn't use it everywhere so also used Minelab 11" DD round, Coiltek 14" DD pro elite & Coiltek 10"x5" Joey DD depending on area/situation. All good coils for given situations that they suit.
well said Matt, its not about the money or the size of the nugget its about getting out and having fun!
Gday Roverrock
It all gets back to the patch where you intend to spend most of your detecting hours , as I spend most of my time around Jupiter Creek and Chapel Hill which are both severely overgrown, a small 8 inch coil is perfect for pushing in and under shrubs and into tight places
As for large or medium size nuggets Ha ! Remember where we live mate , unless you have access to private property we only have three legal recognised gold fields to detect and two of those are Minelab testing grounds like JC which have had Minelab techs , then Nenad then every man and his dog over them with 5000's , 7000's and the like. I know of guys wandering around with larger coils there just getting frustrated and having found no gold in over a year . As for which smaller type coil others on here will have the right advice for you, keep the larger coils for the trips to Vic good luck and keep the faith
JC spat this out on Tuesday for me , could not have got a bigger coil in the spot , far from besotted but still put a smile on the dial
It all gets back to the patch where you intend to spend most of your detecting hours , as I spend most of my time around Jupiter Creek and Chapel Hill which are both severely overgrown, a small 8 inch coil is perfect for pushing in and under shrubs and into tight places
As for large or medium size nuggets Ha ! Remember where we live mate , unless you have access to private property we only have three legal recognised gold fields to detect and two of those are Minelab testing grounds like JC which have had Minelab techs , then Nenad then every man and his dog over them with 5000's , 7000's and the like. I know of guys wandering around with larger coils there just getting frustrated and having found no gold in over a year . As for which smaller type coil others on here will have the right advice for you, keep the larger coils for the trips to Vic
good luck and keep the faith JC spat this out on Tuesday for me , could not have got a bigger coil in the spot , far from besotted but still put a smile on the dial
Thanks for that guys i just got the standerd dd coil from minlab and I like the oval dd as it dos get into places easer and bacchus I detect in the same sort of bush that you do ,I havent been to jupiter creek yet but one ,so i teally wanted to know if a dd was ok for small gold or the mono .Where i go there is alot of mineral ground and hot rocks so i heard that mono is more noisy on this type of ground
Thanks for you help guys
Thanks for you help guys
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I spend 20 times more $ hunting trout (for no financial return) than i ever spend hunting gold. Unless you're a professional and doing it for a living, or to get headlines in the papers for the 'giant' nugget you've found why would you restrict yourself to only chasing big stuff? I reckon there'd be a lot of goldless days (weeks, months/years?) between 10 ounce nugs let alone 50s and 100s for the majority of people out there mate.SunriseBoy said:
If everything we did had to have a return on time and investment then most of us would never do anything except go to work and come home again to pay for the house and car, and to raise a family.
For me it's all about having fun.
Gday Rove , ive just got an 8 inch minelab mono for my 2200d , I havnt had any probs with ground noise as yet , but ive found its prone to pick up hot rocks easily. Havnt found gold as yet( only been out a couple of days ) with it but very tiny led shot with really clear signals 3 and 4 inches .
Ill weigh up a bit from my scrap bag if they are still there.
Gaz
Ill weigh up a bit from my scrap bag if they are still there.
Gaz
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SunriseBoy....something you seem to have overlooked which may not be so obvious to some so i will chime in here.
Note:...Not ALL goldfields are alike...
A lot of goldfields are absent of LARGE nuggets, some even are nuggetless altogether as the gold is micro particle in the ore (and being rich to the tune of tonnes of gold yet "undetectable").
If you want to be Arnie Schwarzenegger and swing big coils to cover a lot of ground in the hope of tripping over HUGE nuggets...go for it, but you may very well be doing yourself & your rattler jar a HUGE disservice by doing so.
When i first explore any new field (to me) i always start with my 11" mono. This can easily find a 3-5 Oz bit at depths of up to 15-18" deep yet still be dynamite on the smaller bits (like today 0.19gm @ 4-5"). I will then follow up with the 17"x11" and finally (depending on ground depth) finish with either the 16" or 20" mono.
Smaller bits, as there are by ratio 1000's more than bigger bits, lead you to the larger bits.....but it always helps to find these small bits first so you can get a better idea of the run of color from the source and thereafter have better knowledge on where to search for the BIGGUNS...ie; work SMART....not HARD.
But hey, it's your detector, and your time in the hobby....spend it how you wish.....those who know better will almost insurmountably have better results than your way of thinking....imo.
All the best to you in your journey...
Gypsy
Note:...Not ALL goldfields are alike...
A lot of goldfields are absent of LARGE nuggets, some even are nuggetless altogether as the gold is micro particle in the ore (and being rich to the tune of tonnes of gold yet "undetectable").
If you want to be Arnie Schwarzenegger and swing big coils to cover a lot of ground in the hope of tripping over HUGE nuggets...go for it, but you may very well be doing yourself & your rattler jar a HUGE disservice by doing so.
When i first explore any new field (to me) i always start with my 11" mono. This can easily find a 3-5 Oz bit at depths of up to 15-18" deep yet still be dynamite on the smaller bits (like today 0.19gm @ 4-5"). I will then follow up with the 17"x11" and finally (depending on ground depth) finish with either the 16" or 20" mono.
Smaller bits, as there are by ratio 1000's more than bigger bits, lead you to the larger bits.....but it always helps to find these small bits first so you can get a better idea of the run of color from the source and thereafter have better knowledge on where to search for the BIGGUNS...ie; work SMART....not HARD.
But hey, it's your detector, and your time in the hobby....spend it how you wish.....those who know better will almost insurmountably have better results than your way of thinking....imo.
All the best to you in your journey...
Gypsy
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Sorry I'm not as sage-like and phlegmatic as most of the crew here. Being able to do whatever activity with a Zen-like mindset is a great talent. One of which I'm not possessed.
So I apologize if my inquiries and observations are boring. I can appreciate that being the only one here with human frailties is a bit of a handicap.
I'm glad I'm in the company of guys who know better than me. It at least means I'll learn something.
So I apologize if my inquiries and observations are boring. I can appreciate that being the only one here with human frailties is a bit of a handicap.
I'm glad I'm in the company of guys who know better than me. It at least means I'll learn something.
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SunriseBoy....not about being "Zen-like" or "sage-like", it's about us here "attempting" to highlight the "reality" in the gold-fields as to what is there to be had....
There are 1000's of pieces of "smaller" gold to the "larger" bits.....REALITY.
For a pictorial "understanding" of the above comments, based on a 3 month "journey" of a "cpl" of prospectors, have a look here>;
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t21725p60-2015-w-a-trip ......(scroll down for pics)
Now tell me how much GOLD would they have got if only hunting for the "bigguns"?.......AND, they are using the "hottest" & "latest & greatest" equipment....with various "coil" sizes. (ie; "big" and "small" ....coils)
As noted, experienced prospectors firstly "know" their detector, then the "ground" they are working, then know the "most suitable" coil to use for "that specific gold-field and the TYPE of gold it holds"......
Having an inquiring mind, in an attempt to understand is a good thing....perhaps you just need to spend a bit more time in understanding the best way to "frame" those queries in a way that will reduce the type of feedback you appear to be receiving?
Keep looking SB....the answers are here, and if not, work out a way to ask that will get the result/answer you need.
Cheers
Gypsy
There are 1000's of pieces of "smaller" gold to the "larger" bits.....REALITY.
For a pictorial "understanding" of the above comments, based on a 3 month "journey" of a "cpl" of prospectors, have a look here>;
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/t21725p60-2015-w-a-trip ......(scroll down for pics)
Now tell me how much GOLD would they have got if only hunting for the "bigguns"?.......AND, they are using the "hottest" & "latest & greatest" equipment....with various "coil" sizes. (ie; "big" and "small" ....coils)
As noted, experienced prospectors firstly "know" their detector, then the "ground" they are working, then know the "most suitable" coil to use for "that specific gold-field and the TYPE of gold it holds"......
Having an inquiring mind, in an attempt to understand is a good thing....perhaps you just need to spend a bit more time in understanding the best way to "frame" those queries in a way that will reduce the type of feedback you appear to be receiving?
Keep looking SB....the answers are here, and if not, work out a way to ask that will get the result/answer you need.
Cheers
Gypsy
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Yes, you are correct GGA. I'm not concentrating on the donut. I'm concentrating on the hole.
Thanks for the excellent instruction in the three point plan. Of all the reading I've done; I've not seen detecting reduced to such clear and cogent instruction. I've written it down and can see how valuable that is.
My apologies to everyone for the tart cracks. They were unnecessary and unhelpful to anyone. It's not the place for that kind of sarcasm and innuendo as mbasko rightly pointed out.
Thanks for the excellent instruction in the three point plan. Of all the reading I've done; I've not seen detecting reduced to such clear and cogent instruction. I've written it down and can see how valuable that is.
My apologies to everyone for the tart cracks. They were unnecessary and unhelpful to anyone. It's not the place for that kind of sarcasm and innuendo as mbasko rightly pointed out.
All good Sunriseboy, I have 5mates with the zed. All got them to chase big gold.More the 1/10 ozs. They still love diggin the grammers pays the desiel. They can't wait for the bigger coil to come out for there zeds. I use the4500 elite 14" next coil will be the 11" elite. I think we all agree any colour puts a smile on ya dile.
All good Sunriseboy, I have 5mates with the zed. All got them to chase big gold.More the 1/10 ozs. They still love diggin the grammers pays the desiel. They can't wait for the bigger coil to come out for there zeds. I use the4500 elite 14" next coil will be the 11" elite. I think we all agree any colour puts a smile on ya dile.
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Yes. After GGA put those photos up; it was quite a serving of humble pie!
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Roverrock said:
I run this coil on my GPX4500 and have probably pulled more nuggets with this coil than any other. I used it around Clermont and got a couple nice grammers and around Wedderburn last year it picked up many small nuggets weighing 0.1g and under in well worked ground. Super sensitive to gold near the surface and being a small DD coil it runs very stable on highly mineralised ground. I think you'll have a lot of fun with this coil.
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SunriseBoy said:
Naaaahh, don't think of it like that....just think of it as "enlightening" and you now have expanded your conscious.... (
....or is that considered too much like "Zen"? :lol: )
Does anyone remember if Coiltek released a 10x5" DD in a Pro version? If so, that would be very sweet on the 2200d for the tiny stuff.
I tested an 11" Pro DD on my GP extreme vs the 10x5" DD Commander, and they were almost on par. The 10x5" had a smidge of a better response but only on the real small stuff, whereas the 11" round had noticeably more depth. I'd assume the differences would be very similar on an SD2200. But if you already have the 11" DD Minelab coil, then yes a smaller DD would be the ticket.
Have you considered the 8" DD Detech coil?? Haven't heard a bad word about it. Should theoretically go a little deeper than a 10x5".
I tested an 11" Pro DD on my GP extreme vs the 10x5" DD Commander, and they were almost on par. The 10x5" had a smidge of a better response but only on the real small stuff, whereas the 11" round had noticeably more depth. I'd assume the differences would be very similar on an SD2200. But if you already have the 11" DD Minelab coil, then yes a smaller DD would be the ticket.
Have you considered the 8" DD Detech coil?? Haven't heard a bad word about it. Should theoretically go a little deeper than a 10x5".
Roverrock said:
You should get both
The mono coil will give the best sensitivity and depth in mild ground conditions.
The DD version is best to be used where the mono struggles to ground balance or if the ground is too variable.
IMO you should not limit yourself to one or the other. To maximise your returns, use what works best on the ground you are working.
